Tuesday, February 14, 2006

Prioritizing Concerns

Because the Universe's middle name is Ironic, I decided to dip a FRER in some pee this morning. Just to see what would happen. Because finding out that I'm pregnant two days before our first RE appointment would be a quintessential display of cosmic comedy.

One line. Duh. So I stuffed the test stick into the garbage next to the toilet and stumbled over to my computer to check email and make sure the world hadn't blown up while I slept. Then back to the bathroom to shower and, well, dig through the trash and take another peek at the pee-stick. Nope, still one line. Raise your hand if you were surprised. Not even a little bit? Yeah, me neither.

Now that that is out of the way, I'd like to dwell for a moment on a particular topic of concern in starting our RE journey. Not the tests, or the drugs, or the needles, though all of those are quite worrisome individually and downright terror-inflicting when taken as a package deal. But, no, the current matter of interest is Dr. Q.

Dr. Q, you see, is a man. I haven't had a male doctor since I was about nine years old, and I'm not looking forward to the change. I don't have an issue discussing any of my medical concerns with a male doctor. I'm a fairly blunt person, and don't expect to blush at the mention of various parts of my anatomy or dicussion of my sex life. I am of the general opinion that a female doctor is better able to relate to a female patient's symptoms - to understand what uterine cramping feels like, for example - but I don't think that this universally excludes men from being able to provide an excellent standard of care. But even with a female doctor, there is no guarantee that she will have had first-person experiences that relate to my own medical issues. And, after all, I don't think that a surgical oncologist must have battled cancer herself in order to effectively remove a tumor...so why should I seek out a doctor who has ovaries and a uterus (and, particularly, malfunctioning ovaries and a uterus) for my reproductive care?

I don't know, but I wanted to. Unfortunately, the clinic we want to work with has only one female doctor on its staff, and she doesn't even see patients at our closest location. Besides, Dr. Q was specifically recommended to us, and he has extensive experience (and continuing research interest) in working with women with ovulatory issues. So, on balance, it's probably the right move.

Then there's the other concern - you know, the part where I get (semi-)naked with this man on a regular basis? I know there will always be a nurse in the room and Ezra can be with me for some (most?) procedures and maybe they'll give me trippy drugs or something and it's all professional and doctors do this stuff all day and yadda yadda yadda. ("But you yadda yadda'd over the best part!" No, I mentioned the drugs.) Still, I don't generally let guys (Ezra excluded) poke around in the nether-regions, and I really am not anxious to start. I know that a standard part of the IF journey is getting over your sense of privacy in this area, and I don't consider it an objective loss of dignity (any moreso than letting my female PCP do a routine pelvic exam on me), but there's a psychological barrier to get over. I think I'm going to need a stiff drink before every appointment.

...which leads me to another thing. (Will this post ever end?) We have yet to speak to the doctor on this particular point, but the clinic's website has a helpful list of Things You Can Do To Help Achieve the Goal of Becoming Pregnant, presented in order of relative importance. Three of the top four items? "Avoid alcohol completely." "Avoid caffeine completely." "Improve management of the stress in your life." After we all have a good chuckle at the futility of that last item, and pause to mourn the passage of Starbucks from my list of special treats (but think of the money we'll save!), let's move on to the question of alcohol.

I like my booze. I don't drink to excess. I'm not a wino, or a drunk...not even close to being in danger of becoming an alcoholic. I don't need a dram of Scotch to get me through the evening, or a glass of wine with every meal, but I enjoy them both, and not for the buzz. If there were some way to perfectly replicate the taste and texture and aroma of my favorite drinks in alcohol-free forms, I would probably be satisfied with such a solution. And, no, I don't want a drink more than I want a baby. But I also don't want to give up one of the simple pleasures of my existence for what could be years on end without some damn good proof that I'm doing it with good cause. Would the clinic tell me to eschew ice cream, or to "avoid cheesecake completely?" I suppose they might, but I suspect the more realistic approach would be something like: Consuming high-fat, high-sugar dairy-based desserts in large quantities has a detrimental effect on your overall fertility. You should limit yourself to just one of these desserts per week, and not have any within the week preceeding and following ovulation/IUI/transfer. And, you know what? I'd follow that direction. To a T. I'd even measure out my desserts with a kitchen scale if they told me it was necessary. Likewise with the alcohol. But I have yet to be convinced that I need to eliminate it "completely." I'll give Dr. Q a chance to prove it to me, and I'll give all of you a chance to soften me up on it. Or not, as you see fit.

Finally, there's a little more than 48 hours to go until this appointment (following which I hope to bestow Dr. Q with a more fitting moniker). There have been some great tips in the comments, and I'd appreciate more if you have any. I'd especially love to hear from the other frum/Orthodox/whatever Jewish patients out there about how you first broached halachic concerns with your REs...though of course I want to hear from everyone. I'm a comment whore like that.

At 11:02 AM, February 14, 2006, Blogger EJW said...

I can't help with the rabbinical stuff, but I wanted to say good luck and I hope it all works out OK.

I have a male doctor, but only on paper, since I actually see female nurse practitioners (whom I love!). I've heard several women comment that they prefer male doctors, as they're more sympathetic. I guess women doctors are more likely to disregard or underestimate the pain or discomfort of procedures or drugs, since they've had cramps or whatever, but male MDs have no idea so they take complaints more seriously. That might all be hogwasg, though.

Either way, good luck!

 
At 11:14 AM, February 14, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to agree with EJW's friends -- I've had some bad experiences with female doctors, and it is much more of a letdown because you expect them to understand. Sometimes they can have a self-righteous, unsympathetic attitude. You don't want that.

About broaching halacha with your RE -- I had a bad experience with my first RE. He really embarrassed me when I tried to explain about halacha. I mentioned the experience briefly in one of my blog entries. With future doctors, I acted more matter-of-fact and said something along the lines of "My religion proscribes when I can and can't have intercourse, and how we can and can't obtain a semen specimen, but I will do my best to overcome any obstacles by speaking with my rabbi about your instructions." That gives him all he needs to know, really.

As for strange men probing your nether regions -- well, you know, it is so unlike sex that I hardly think of the doctor as a man or of my body as being sexual, so it was never an issue. I think you'll get desensitized to it pretty quickly.

Good luck!

 
At 11:24 AM, February 14, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've had my OB tell me kiddush on wine doesn't "really" count - my husband *makes* kiddush and drinks rov kos, so we're only talking about an ounce. So feel free to ask the RE how absolute the "completely" really is.

I know, you can make kiddush on grape juice too. But if there's any leeway in his mind, you'll know - and it segues right into halachic issues in general.

Good luck!

 
At 11:57 AM, February 14, 2006, Blogger Robber Barren said...

LC, I'm not talking about kiddush wine (which is a much smaller amount than I had in mind, and, if it's a sweet wine, tends to be low in alcohol) and I'm not talking about the possible effects on a developing fetus/embryo. I think the issues are very different.

I fully intend to press Dr. Q on any dietary/lifestyle advice. I want to know whether "avoid X completely" translates into: "Absolutely none allowed, because X interacts with your medications," or: "We say none because we know that most patients 'cheat,' but what we really mean is..."

Overall, though, I don't want to tie this issue up with religion. I'm not looking for permission to drink a sip of kiddush wine, I'm looking for permission to share an after-work drink with some friends. Or, rather, the presence or absence of reason not to. And the fewer issues that "religion" presents for Dr. Q, the more likely he is to roll with the punches when true religious matters come up.

 
At 12:06 PM, February 14, 2006, Blogger Jen said...

I have a male OB/GYN and a male RE. The former was not my original choice, but since most women seem to prefer the female OB/GYN's, he was the first available. For the most part, he's been very respectful and does all his probing so clinically and efficiently that it is the least sexual experience you could ever encounter with your nether regions.

 
At 6:51 PM, February 14, 2006, Blogger Unknown said...

I absolutely want to hear the answer to the alcohol question. Like you, I enjoy the occassional glass of wine with dinner... and I'd hate to think that having it is messing things up.

As for the dr issue. My obgyn is female. Love her to death and no way I'd go to anyone else. First RE was male. Not by choice, but because only males were on my insurance plan. Very uncomfortable with the idea the first few times, but it got easier. He is a doctor and has seen it all. It's pretty much a non-issue now... which will make the search for a new RE easier since male or female won't matter as much.

Good Luck!

 
At 8:46 PM, February 14, 2006, Blogger projgen said...

booze: I specifically asked my doc about alcohol, and was told that prior to transfer, it's no problem. We are referring to just a few drinks, of course, not a binge! ;)

halacha: well, I'm not much help here; we actually were asked first - apparently, an ultra-Orthodox couple had cycled a few months before us, so our clinic was prepped for halachic issues. It must have been written in our file in huge letters: "JEWS" because when a different doc than our normal one was talking about scheduling the transfer, he made a comment about how we would miss the hassle of having it on Shabbat. I like Wessel's suggestion and would have done something similar if I had run into that problem.

male doc: Our primary doc was female, but we saw whoever was on that day. In my lifelong experience with doctors (and I've had LOTS), I've had both genders. I've had great female docs and lousy female docs. Same with the guys. I think their personality and how comfortable you are with the person matters more than whether they are male and female. You're going to be uncomfortable and awkward no matter who is seeing you, but count on things like seeing your uterus on an ultrasound to distract you!

 
At 8:56 PM, February 14, 2006, Blogger miriamp said...

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At 9:01 PM, February 14, 2006, Blogger miriamp said...

Oh, and another thought -- in your case at least, your alcohol/caffeine/stress consumption isn't what is causing your inability to conceive. Ovulation might help more, for example. ;-)

Either it's somewhat helpful advice for women with actual cycles and some other reason for not conceiving, to give their chances an added push, or it could be a "let's cover our butts" type of thing. Malpractice insurance is sky high for a reason, and it's because it's way too easy to sue over nothingness.

 
At 11:10 PM, February 14, 2006, Blogger persephone said...

Miriam, I can tell that you genuinely care and want to help, and I can see why your experience with internal exams by a male doctor might seem very relevant here.

But as a general rule it's best to limit comments about pregnancy experiences on an infertility blog, much less draw a parallel between them.

 
At 5:22 PM, February 15, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you live in a place with a big Jewish population, you may not need to explain very much at all about the halakhic stuff. When my husband and I walked into our first appointment in a midtown manhattan RE practice (we look pretty religious), our non-Jewish doctor immediately knew to ask me what day of my cycle I went to the mikvah, and handed us a collection condom for the semen analysis. If your doctor doesn't know about all the halakhic stuff, I'd go with Wessel on presenting it matter-of-factly. You shouldn't have to be embarrassed about it. Good luck!

 
At 9:11 PM, February 15, 2006, Blogger miriamp said...

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At 9:11 PM, February 15, 2006, Blogger moo said...

Robber,

Oh my can I related to the last minute pg test just in case cause wouldn't that be the funniest given everything?

I am happy you commented on Year of the Horse because now I found yours...

Take care
Moo

 
At 9:29 PM, February 15, 2006, Blogger miriamp said...

Okay, let's try that again. Sorry, Persephone, sometimes I forget that this is a whole community (that I'm not really a part of), and besides possibly offending Robbie, there's all the other readers to think of.

So my revised comment:

My "official" doctors (at least since I was given the choice rather than having my mother choose for me) have all been female. However, I have wound up with a male doctor on occasions where I was not given a choice.

Long Story made very short: I was uncomfortable with the general idea but I've found that it so depends on the man in question. There have been male doctors I was very comfortable with personally, and others who are still on my hit list.

So I hope Dr. Q has an awesome bedside manner and puts you right at ease. (As much as is possible when you're in that particular position anyway.)

Now I'll go crawl back under my rock again.

 
At 8:07 AM, February 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, one more tip about explaining the halakhic stuff. You may want to try to work the word "mikvah" into your explanation. I find that if women's health people have heard of something, it's usually that. (once I fumbled through a long, awkward explanation only to be asked, "Oh, is that like mikvah?")

 
At 4:12 PM, February 16, 2006, Blogger Fertility Faux Pas said...

I specifically chose my OBGYN because she was a female and she was wonderful. After a year's worth of treatment with her, she referred me to a male RE. I wasn't jazzed about that, but I was able to deal with it. As I went through my IVF cycle, I was looked at by all 5 doctors at my clinic at one point or another anyway (4 men and 1 woman). Ironically, I actually liked the woman the least out of all of them.

As for the alcohol, I was told that I could have the occassional cocktail at any time during my treatment except:
1) during the 2ww after an IUI
2) after my transfer during IVF
I think they just use strong wording so that people don't go around boozing it up with reckless abandon, which actually would help with their third recommendation to keep stress levels at a minimum. Ah well, you can't win 'em all.

Good luck with your appointment!

 

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